I have received two unpleasant posts from an “Indian Christian”. After responding to the first comment I decided not to post a response to the second comment for a while, for reasons I described in a post “Why I will not respond to the second ‘Christian’ post soon“. Anyway, I now feel ready to respond to the comment.
O.K., SO MR. CHRIS YOU SAID THAT I SHOWED THE KIND OF TOLERANCE EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS WANT TO BRING IN INDIA.I WILL TELL U A FEW THINGS:-
1. I AM FAR FROM A EVANGELICAL CHRISTIAN,BUT U TELL ME IN WHICH RELIGION OF THE WORLD DOES ONE GOD FIGHTS ANOTHER GOD FOR HIS WIFE? OR WHERE THE OTHER GOD HAS 16,000 GIRLFRIENDS (LORD KRISHNA),WOW!SO MUCH FUN, RIGHT MR. CHRIS?
I am unaware of the reference to one God fighting another over his wife. These stories have symbolic meaning, if you tell me the reference I will try to find the meaning for you. The many wives of Krishna are actually all different manifestations of Lakshmi. What it is saying is that Lakshmi has many qualities all of which are matched by Krishna. Another way of looking at it is that Krishna and the gopis represents the fact that in true lovemaking Krishna/Radha is in all of us.
2. IN WHICH RELIGION OF THE WORLD CAN THE HOLY MEN EASLIY TAKE PEOPLE’S LIVES THROUGH HIS POWERS. GO TO INDIA ,JUST TELL THE NAME,DATE OF BIRTH,AND TIME WHEN SOMEONE WAS BORN AND SEE HOW THE BRAHMANS AND SADHUS (HINDU HOLY MEN) WITH THE HELP OF TANTRA CAN PLAY SOCCER WITH HIS REAL LIFE,WILL MAKE HIM SUFFER FOR 15 YEARS OF HIS LIFE ,EVERY DAY BEING WORSE THAN HELL UNTIL HE DIES. CAN A CHRISTIAN PRIEST EVER DO THAT ?THE ANSWER IS A BIG NO,BECAUSE BLACK MAGIC AND WITCHCRAFT ARE NON-EXISTENT IN CHRISTIAN FAITH AND MOST PROMINENT IN HINDUISIM WHICH HAS GOT SO MANY GODS AND GODESSES IN IT WHICH EMBODY BLACK MAGIC.
Actually I think you will find that black magic is a Christian concept, based on a mistranslation of necromancy (death magic) as negromancy (black magic). I am sceptical that many people can curse, it would be at least as rare as the gift of healing. Anyway I can assure you that a good Hindu would not try to curse anyone because of the negative karma. Similarly anyone who is pure in spirit has nothing to worry about. Krishna says that faith will protect you from inauspicious times (like dieing in the dark half of the month), and it is the same with curses.
It seems to me that if you are to be a Christian you should at least have faith in your religion. If you don’t believe that your faith can protect you then perhaps you should take a hard look at it. If you have to be a Christian, at least be a good one.
3. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT MOST PEOPLE LIKE YOU, HAVE BECOME SO UNGRATEFUL TO GOD(JESUS CHRIST) THAT INSPITE OF HE GIVING EVERYTHING TO YOU YOU HAVE TURNED A BLIND EYE TO HIM AND INDULGE YOURSELF IN ALL THE WORLDLY PLEASURES OF THIS LIFE.
On the contrary since I have become a Hindu I have become much more austere, eating a vegetarian diet, never drinking spirits and hardly ever drinking alcohol. This is not through forcing myself to keep to rules, my excess desires have been sublimated as I advance spiritually.
4. YOU HAVE GOT FOOD IN YOUR BELLIES EVERY NIGHT,U GOT A HOUSE,A CAR ETC.,SO YOU ARE TOTALLY IGNORANT OF WHAT THE TRUTH IS AND OPENLY SUPPORT A RELIGION (HINDUISIM) WHICH PROMOTES IDOL WORSHIP,HAS 360 MILLION GODS AND GODDESSES ,IS FULL OF BLACK MAGIC AND WITCHCRAFT AND WHOSE FOLLOWERS (HINDUS) HATE CHRISTANITY AND CHRISTIANS SO MUCH THAT EVEN THE DEVIL’S HATRED FOR GOD WILL FAIL IN COMPARISON TO THEIR HATE. AND IF YOU DON’T BELEIVE THIS GO AND TAKE A TRIP TO THE STATE OF GUJRAT IN INDIA WHERE MOST HINDUS OF THE U.K. COME FROM AND ASK THE CHRISTIANS OVER THERE HOW THEIR FAITH AND THEY THEMSELVES ARE TREATED BY THE HINDUS .
Though I have enough to satisfy my needs I am not as rich as you think. I cannot afford to travel to India for some time. When I do I will certainly visit Gujurat, to see the birthplace of Gandhi. From what I have read in neutral reports, Hindus only react against the hatred, trickery and attempted forced conversion by Christians. Those who are willing to live in peace are accepted, like the Greek Orthodox church which has been present in India for centuries.
5. YOU KNOW SOMETHING MR. CHRIS ,I WOULD PLACE THE BLACK CHRISTIANS IN THE U.K. FAR BETTER THAN PEOPLE LIKE YOU. SIMPLY BECAUSE MOST OF THEM ARE FROM POOR COUNTRIES,THEY KNOW HOW TO BE GRATEFUL WHEN THEY HAVE FOOD IN THEIR BELLIES,FOR PEOPLE LIKE U IT IS NOTHING SPECIAL,RIGHT? THAT’S WHY MOST OF THE CHURCHES IN U.K. ARE DOMINATED BY THE BLACKS.
I think that is a rather ignorant statement, many black Christians are second or third generation and don’t just attend because they are grateful to have something in their bellies. Despite your writing on the caste system you seem to have quite a problem with race yourself.
6. I WOULD ALSO PLACE THE MUSLIMS OF THE WORLD FAR BETTER THEN PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF RESPECT FOR THEIR RELIGION AND HERITAGE AND IN SOME COUNTRIES LIKE SAUDI ARABIA ETC. DO NOT GIVE CITIZENSHIP TO HINDUS (ALL IDOL WORSHIPPERS), BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE TRUTH.
At least you acknowledge the similarity between these two evangelical religions, which many Christians try to hide. Perhaps you should ask Christians in Saudi Arabia what it is like to live as a dhimmi. Also, why has the number of Muslim in India has increased since partition, while the number of Hindus in Pakistan has drastically decreased due to overt discrimination.
7. PEOPLE LIKE YOU SHOULD JUST GO TO THE PUB,BOOZE AROUND,ENJOY LIFE TILL U DROP IN A GUTTER SO THAT THESE HINDUS CAN OPENLY CRITICISE CHRISTANITY AND THEN CAN INTRODUCE U TO ALL THEIR FALSE GODS WHICH THEN U WILL WHOLE HEARTEDLY ACCEPT,RIGHT?I GUESS IT SHOULDN’T BE DIFFICULT TO REMEMBER THE NAMES OF JUST 360 MILLION GODS AND GODDESES.
Hinduism has one God with many faces. Hinduism discourages people from boozing till they fall in the gutter, unlike the nominal Christians who do this believing they have already been saved. No good Hindu would advise anyone to take up a life of boozing, and I expect some of your fellow Christians would not think it the best advice to give.
8. I KNOW U WILL NOT BELEIVE A WORD OF WHAT POINT I AM TRYING TO CONVEY. BUT UNFORTUNATELY PEOPLE DON’T REALIZE SOMETHING UNTIL AND UNLESS IT HAPPENS TO THEM. U WILL REALISE THIS 20 YEARS DOWN THE LINE ,WHEN U WILL SEE YOUR OWN KIDS,FRIENDS SUFFER THROUGH HINDU BLACK MAGIC IN FRONT OF YOUR OWN EYES, WHEN YOUR BUSINESS WILL FAIL TO PROSPER,WHEN INSPITE HOW HARD U TRY U WILL NEVER SUCCEED IN LIFE WHATEVER U MIGHT DO.THIS IS WHEN HINDUISIM WILL BE WIDESPREAD IN U.K.
If Hinduism were to become widespread in the UK it would be a miracle, and it would mean the end of people living the life of animals, boozing until they are drunk every night. On the other hand, if everyone were to become a Christian or a Muslim there would still be devision, as I pointed out in another post divisive religions divide into more disparate sects.
9. AS IT IS MOST PEOPLE LIKE YOU JUST WANT TO EXPERIENCE SENSUAL PLEASURES IN LIFE.SO IT IS NOT SUPRISING THAT U GUYS SUPPORT
A RELIGION IN WHICH SEX IS A INTEGRAL PART(INDIA BEING A LAND OF KAMASUTRA) .SO, BLINDLY SUPPORT AND PROMOTE A RELIGION OF SEX,WITCHCRAFT,BLACK MAGIC,360 MILLION GODS AND GODESSES,WHICH GIVES U THE LIBERTY TO DO WHATEVER U LIKE ,ACT LIKE ANIMALS WITH NO MORALS,TAKE BRIBES (THAT’S WHY INDIA IS ONE OF THE MOST CORRUPT COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD) AND WHENEVER U FEEL U HAVE SINNED ENOUGH JUST TAKE A BATH IN THE RIVER GANGES SO THAT ALL YOUR SINS WILL BE FORGIVEN.
You may not know, but tantric (sex) branches of Hindusim are in a very small minority. The majority of Hindus believe in purity, right action and spirituality and see these branches as at odds with vedic teaching.
I think recent history has shown that India is far less corrupt that Islamic and eastern European countries. And, if all I cared about was sensual pleasure, sanatana dharma would be one of the least likely paths to take.
Even if you are to be a Christian I believe you should let go of your hatred. Read the actual words of Jesus, which have a lot more in common with Hindu teachings than the teachings of hate-filled evangelical fundamentalist groups. Have faith in God. Though I believe that Hinduism is the best path, being a good Christian is better than being a bad one.
I dont undetstand why u guys are fighting about, is not what relegion u r is what u have in u soul that realy matters. Now i will tell u my story about ur hindus and greck othodox religions. I have been married for 15 year and in those years my husbands mum has done witchcraft to me to marry her son, i am still married today.At that time i didnt belive in such things, but everyone has mentioned it to me in the last 5 years or so still having dought.In the last 5 years my husband has changed tremendously, but not realizing the cause of it, although i have adjusted accordinghly like a good house wife trying not to cause big scene at home. Sometimes in 2005 my son stsrted to have difficulties at scool not understanding the cause of it as yet, but as a good greeck orthodox christian that i am i only asked god to show me a sign of whats going on in my life. I also forgot to mention that i have had mental breackdown without telling anyone, i was continuosly sick, bed ridden, loss of memory, loss of eyesight, depreesion, etc etc.
At the time i needed a way out and i started studying and following that i have heared of a good clayavoint, which told me that there is nothing wrong with my son only that i had to change school. Of course didnt take her advise till the phycik and physical attacks got so bad that i couldnt cope and i changed my sons school as she advised. this was sometime in the first term of 2005. During this time i was praying to GOD the mighty power once again to show me the way, as i was planing to leave my husband. Within couple of months my son was all right but my husband left his high paid job to work only few hours a day. Six months later we were nealy bankrupt. We the help of gon and my mother in law which she was my best friend at the time we got over it and six months latter my husband got a job, of course during this time my husband lived on the couch and was callig me all kiinds of names and the attacks still continued to an extent that i was not able to stand up during the day and was bed ridden continuasly/ My prayes to god got stronger and stronger and in 2006 my wishes come true when i walked in an indian video store and i met an INDIAN ASTROLOGER (i am also an chinese astrologer and a feng shui consultant) when he mentioned that i have been having those phychic attacks for the last 8 year. It acctualy concided with the time i move into my inner city appartment.The Indian Astrologer told me that i have black magic from a family member which is from my husband family due to gelousy, envy and she wants me dead. Well i was nealy dead physicaly and phychologicaly, i was not able to function as a 36 year person. They broke the (mantram) black magic, and i was ok for a while, but she found out and the attacks became stronger and stronger as me and my family were falling apart. The attacls were daily and even 3 times a day, i was becoming so aware of the attacks that i already new when they were there. Those strong attacks kept on going for a year till she did the unthinkble, she sent 3 deamons to my house mind u they were form India as she met an indian black magician. The others were from eastern Europe. It come a moment that i had to live my country to travel to India to get those demons out of my house that they were destroying everything and anything in my house and life. With the help of my astrologer friends i travelled to India for the first time in my life by my self.
As i arrived in india wiht the help of god and my astorloger friends, i wish to live the very next day by i couldnt as i had traveled on frequent flyer points and i couldnt change my ticket. Within a week of beening in india i was possesed by one of the demons that i took with me when i left my country.
To be continued tommorow
Chloe, stop making up stuff! Oh, and spell check everything and learn the rules of grammar… will you make your argument somewhat valid.
Great post Chris! I don’t get why these fundamentalists just can’t live and let others live.
Why are you arguing with this so called “Indian Christian”? Just tell this Indian Christian than he was the follower of Sanatana Dharma (Hinduism) before his ancestors converted to Christians for the sake of money that was bribed to him by Churches :-))
Great response Tandava. On sensuality and sexuality-one of the great things about Hinduism is that it did not associate excessive guilt with these activities.
Why should sex be impure if it is performed in a loving and sensitive way and isn’t hurting anyone?
There is spirituality in love-making. Unfortunately a lot of current attitudes in India are influenced by Victorian morality and a negative attitude towards the human body .
Hahaha. They never change ,they even dnt knw christ .
When they faultly convert and create tensiöns among ‘adivasi’ or illiterate aborgins they must have realised that once these aborgins knw they were fooled they’ll hit back and it would be violent as they are illiterate.