I have recently started studying the Chinmaya Mission e-vedanta foundation course. I hope this course will help spiritual development and to enable me to become closer to God.
Recently I received two angry posts from someone claiming to be an Indian Christian. I thought that just in case someone believed the comments in his letters I should analyse them and show the false information and gaps in the logic. I got around to posting an analysis of the first message, and intended to do the same for the second message. The Chinmaya course has made me consider my relationship with the world and motivations. I realised that while it could be the right thing to post an analysis like the first one, it would only be right if done through love. The action should be filled with concern that the post might misguide people, together with a loving concern for the misguided poster, and hope that he can step away from the path of hate.
When I posted the response to the first letter I felt deep offence at what the poster said about Hinduism. I did feel concern that his comments might misguide others, but I only felt dislike and contempt for the poster. I found that I was taking pleasure in the fact that his post had many logical and factual errors, so that I could make him look stupid. This is wrong. I have been gifted with a certain skill at logical thought and analysis, and to use this gift to make others look stupid is no better than someone gifted with strength using it to bully others. er
Also, should a person’s ability at building a logical argument have any reflection on the truth of what is written? If a similar sentiment were written by someone who could make a good, logical presentation of his thoughts I should treat it just the same, stating that it is a wrong belief.
In addition to this, reading his comments and feeling the anger did no good to me. It builds up a feeling of separation, making it harder to accept the many good Christians who do see a message of love, devotion to God and unity in their religion. If taken to extremes, such feelings can harm society as a whole.
Considering this I believe that it would be wrong for me to analyse the second comment unless I can do so in love. If I were to answer it at the moment I know I would feel offence and anger at the comments. I don’t know if or when I will be able to respond. For the moment the best I can do is pray that nobody will read his comments and think them true. And to try to see the divine light in all, rather than being turned to anger.
Why don’t I just delete the comments? Well, I am not sure that this would not be the best course of action. Something tells me that it is better to leave them on display, even though I am not ready to respond to them. To delete them and show only positive comments to my blog feels like dishonesty. As Ghandi said:
Hence there is nothing wrong in every man following Truth according to his lights. Indeed it is his duty to do so. Then if there is a mistake on the part of any one so following Truth it will be automatically set right.
— The Meaning of Truth: M. K Ghandi
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I just read the comments from the “Indian Christian” to your earlier blog.
I wouldn’t even bother to reply to his garbage.
He obviously has a chip on his shoulder.
If he truly believes that a human who lived and spoke 2000 years ago is “God” and the world should live by what he had said two millennia ago, he indeed is living in the stone ages.
The more he rants, the more he shows his ignorance and a psychopathic mind, that will seek to find justification in deliberate untruths for their beliefs.
I, not even for one second, believe his forefather were hindu priests, who converted to christianity voluntarily. The real truth will be far embarrassing for him to reveal.
He believes he will attain “Salvation” only by the virtue of being a bible following “black christian” who considers sex is a cardinal sin, good luck to him.
I am happy India has been freed from the likes of him, and sincerely hope he doesn’t return when the racist boot of the Christian west lands on his evangelised backside.
I am sure that some people on the net invent identities which they think will lend them credibility. After posting a comment on a Christian blog (based in the USA)I had five people respond, two of whom told me that they had Indian ancestors who had “seen the truth” and become Christians. The odds of that happening seem very low to me.
1.well, i read your comments mr. little indian, first let me tell u something.
Stop calling CHRIST, MAKER OF HEAVEN & EARTH AND THE ENITRE UNIVERSE A MERE HUMAN.HE IS SINLESS AND PERFECT IN ALL WAYS BOTH HUMAN & DIVINE.
2. HE IS NOT A IMMORAL MAN-MADE FALSE GOD LIKE KRISHNA WHO IS SAID TO HAVE 300 WIVES & 16,000 GIRLFRIENDS OR GOPIS IF U UNDERSTAND.
3. And u said that the truth about my ancestors converting to christanity will be embarrasing to me.let me tell u something u IDIOT. I have got INDIAN CHRISTIAN relatives and family friends who go by the name of sumit bharadwaj,sushil chakravarty,anil sharma,amit jain etc. even former indian actress MALA SINHA is a christian.Adopting christanity does not mean one needs to change his name or eating habits.All that is required is a direct relationship in a clean heart with the ONE & ONLY TRUE GOD JESUS CHRIST.Go to youtube and check the testimonies of people like anil kant,mahesh chevada etc.
4. u said that the west will give me a boot on my evangelical backside. let me tell u something u IDIOT. CHRISTANITY IS NOT JUST CONFINED TO THE WEST.IT IS WIDESPREAD ALL ACROSS THE WORLD FROM U.S.A.,TO CANADA TO SOUTH AMERICA TO WHOLE OF EUROPE TO SOUTHERN AFRICAN COUNTRIES TO SOUTH KOREA TO AUSTRALIA& NEWZEALAND.EVEN IN ISLAMIC COUNTRIES LIKE PAKISTAN,EGYPT,LEBANON,IRAN,IRAQ,JORDAN CHRISTIANS ARE A SIGNIFICANT MINORITY.EVEN CHINA HAS A STRONG CHRISTIAN POPULATION.IN INDIA ABOUT 5% POPULATION IS CHRISTIAN.THE REASON FOR THIS WIDESPREAD PRESENCE OF CHRISTANITY IS BECAUSE OF IT’S UNIVERSAL MESSAGE OF LOVE AND RELATION WITH ONE TRUE GOD JESUS CHRIST.THAT’S WHY AN ESTIMATED 800,000 TO 1,000,000 HINDUS ARE ADOPTING CHRISTANITY IN INDIA NOW EVERY YEAR BECAUSE THEY ARE REALISING THE TRUTH THROUGH GOOD NEWS MEETINGS,PRAYER MEETINGS,CHRISTIAN PROGRAMMES ON RADIO AND T.V. AND PREACHING OF THE GOSPEL. UNLIKE HINDUISIM WHICH IS JUST CONFINED TO INDIA,NEPAL,PARTS OF BANGLADESH ,SRILANKA AND ONLY TO A HANDFUL OF DRUNK HIPPIES IN THE WEST.
5. AND U WERE RIGHT I DO NOT INTEND TO RETURN TO INDIA BECAUSE IT IS THE PLACE OF THE BIGGEST IDOL-WORSHIPPING FOOLS ON THE PLANET i.e. HINDUS LIKE YOU. HINDUISIM HAS NO BASIS OR FOUNDATION. IT IS JUST A MAN-MADE 5000 YEAR OLD COMIC BOOK WHICH HAS 360 MILLION GODS & GODDESSES WHAT A JOKE!IT IS FULL OF SATANIC WITCHCRAFT,BLACK MAGIC AND STORIES WHICH HAVE NO BASIS.THERE IS NO HISTORICAL PROOF THAT YOUR FALSE MAN-MADE GOD RAM EVER EXISTED.U GUYS JUST WORSHIP YOUR FALSE IDOLS AND THEREBY DEMONS WHO HAVE POWER THROUGH SATAN.THUS ALL YOUR RAM’S AND KRISHNA ARE NOTHING BUT SATANIC DEMON-GODS.
6. AND STOP SAYING YOUR FALSE MESSAGE THAT HINDUISIM IS THE OLDEST RELIGION OF THE WORLD.JUDAISIM IS THE OLDEST LIVING RELIGION OF THE WORLD WHICH LATER GAVE RISE TO 2 OTHER MAJOR LIVING RELIGIONS OF THE WORLD CHRISTANITY AND ISLAM. WHEN ALL OF US DIE AND DIE SHALL WE AND ON OUR JUDGEMENY DAY AND SEE THE CREATOR’S FACE (JESUS CHRIST) THEN U WILL REALISE WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.BUT THEN NO MATTER HOW MUCH ONE TRIES TO EXPLAIN TO YOU MOST OF YOU HINDUS WERE FOOLS,ARE FOOLS AND WILL ALWAYS REMAIN FOOLS TILL THE END OF THE WORLD. I DID SAY “MOST OF YOU” AND “NOT ALL” BECAUSE THE FEW WHO HAVE REALISED THE TRUTH OF CHRIST’S GOSPEL HAVE ADOPTED CHRISTANITY.BUT THEN AGAIN A MAJORITY OF YOU EVEN THOUGH HOW MUCH WELL EDUCATED OR WELL QUALIFIED YOU ARE WILL REMAIN THE SAME “MOST STUPID ,IGNORANT,ORTHODOX ,SUPERSTITIOUS PEOPLE ON THE PLANET EARTH”. EVEN YOUR CELEBRITIES THOUGH SHE HAS SEEN AND TRAVELLED THE WHOLE WORLD MARRIES A BANANA TREE JUST BECAUSE SHE IS CONSIDERED TO BE MANGLIK AND A THREAT TO HER HUSBAND’S LIFE.HOW STUPID CAN THAT BE.WOMAN STILL TREATED INFERIOR TO MALES IN MAJORITY OF YOUR HOUSEHOLDS,MAJORITY OF YOU STILL FOLLOW THE DOWRY SYSTEM AND ALWAYS WANT A MALE CHILD WHO CAN CARRY THE FAMILY NAME.IN SHORT THE BIGGEST IDIOTS OF THE PLANET EARTH i.e. THE HINDUS.
First Ramayana and Mahabharat are proven by many historical records,places and varois other things.first Christ was a good man who can be admitted as son of good. While you say Hinduism is a comic book then do you know that the Bible was discussed and created in the court of the Roman emperor Constantine or Charlemagne.it is not the exact wordings of Christ or his followers but of a group of wise men who suited stories according to the present pagan believes that day.
Thank you for showing us once again what Christianity preaches.
Mr Singh, that little buttons on the side of the keyboard? It unlocks the Caps. I don’t think you can learn that from Jesus. There were no computers in his time. There is no mention of computers in the Bible.
Mr Singh, you write with such conviction, it seems you were an eyewitness to everything Christ said and did or didn’t do. So that makes you 2000 years old, or you have been reborn-ing since. So roughly you are on your thirtieth life.
Christ made the heaven and earth? I thought even the Bible admits the Universe was created before he was born.
Christ is God, then who is the son of God? or shall I say, if he is the Son of God, how can he be the God. An entity who is the father of his own self? Or has he more than one form, and personalities to match perhaps?
Of all the vastness of the Universe, why did he come to this god forsaken place in the first place?
And if the Creator of the Universe, why did he not just beamed down to earth in his Godly form, why be born from a womb of a mortal being. what if he was a still birth? it would have left the Universe Godless!
And how did he even get into a womb? Surely as an embryo, he wouldn’t have fitted in his full form would he? Now the biology of all mortal bodies that Christ your alleged God has created, makes it impossible for life to be formed without the conjunction of a sperm and an egg. His creation, His laws. Even for a virgin conception, simple laws of biology has to be followed. Was his birth then the first IVF on earth?
The Bible says He did die on the cross.
But it is only us the mortals whose prerogative is to die. No immortal can die even if they wish to.
So either he died on the cross and was mortal, or he is immortal so he didn’t die on the cross, he deceived everyone. Wilful deception is a sin is it not?
Catch 22 of the God(s). They cannot die for they are immortals, yet if they are all powerful surely dying is not a difficult process, some do it in their sleep. Comic book stuff, isn’t it?
Not a comic book, but the book you swear on is no more credible than a narration of life of a mortal being of unknown parentage.
Or of a science-fiction, born by IVF, of a preserved alien embryo, that alien obstetrician Gabriel implanted in Mary’s womb.
You being a live mortal, i presume you were born in the a biological way, and was conceived in the biological way, you had to a product of a Cardinal Sin.
Sinners go to hell don’t they? And sex is a cardinal sin, isn’t it?
So your forefathers who had a clean heart and saw the truth and became Christians, went on to commit sins generation after generation after generations, including your parents. Will they all be going to Hell after death?
That’s a shame, many of these people converting to Christianity, do they know they become sinners the very next time they have sex? Only to be doomed to rot in eternity of Hell. For there is no heaven for procreating Christians! Now that I call stupidity.
I will rot in hell? Of course I will, just like you parents, and after you get an apoplexy you too will join us all there.
I apologise Chris, for ruining your blog.
I find a fellow moron here, thought I will stop for a chat.
We may not meet again till we all touch hell.
OK, I have to re-read this one although I got the gist of the conversation. I believe one thing though, while we have the heights of intelligence, we also have the Depths of Stupidity.. now I go hunting for a balance.
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1st of all the name “hindu” itself was not named by theirs so called ancient worshipers tis shows their ignorance of not having the most basic ‘Name’ for theirs religion.Hindu was coined first by persians & the british gave it a status of a major relgn.To persians hindu meant ‘low life,infidel,dog,liar’ & to de 1100 A.D arab’s, hindu’s were persons hav’ng all de worlds evil.So hindus are nothing but a group of pagan cult sects united in de name of hinduism.Recently they boost of calling their relgn as ‘satanam dhrama’ which is satanic following de ideology of aryanism which was also used by the “anti-christ” adolf hitler.Also Christianity reached ‘now called india’ around 52 A.D when Apostle Thomas came to southern land of tis country,well before this “anti-christ” hindu relgn had existed as one, in that part of the country,it was after 400 A.D that hinduism spread towards southern india.
Thank you Deepak,
You illustrate the division and intolerance that Christian missionaries bring with them. It is not enough for you to believe your religion, you must hate and insult others.
I hope you live up to your name and discover the light within you and every one of us,
to u liltle indian or whatever.U think by calling us converts(christians) ur making us feel ashamed,infact I feel sorry for u people (non christians) as u all are prey’s for satan.Also all of ur stupid or blasphemous question’s are also very well answered in Holy Bible itself,u can find in many of Christian websites too, n u will understand it, if ur not a Fool .As off Ur comments on we are stone age,u & all should know that by grace of “Jesus Christ” most of the modern technology in many fields was invented/discoverd by Christians.Peace be with you all.& also with me.
I agree that Hindu and hence Hinduism was a name give by those outside India. Hindu, contrary to what you say, literally means those that live by Sindhu (the S of Sanskrit became H in Persian). It did not mean low-life. In fact, most studies show that Persians and current-day Indians came from the same stock, from around the Caucus mountains. And yes, we do have an admixture of the aryan race- so do the Persians. The name Iran, takes origin from Arya, meaning honour. Hitler’s misunderstanding of history is not the flaw of Indians. Indian Christianity, as you point out, is very old. The apostle St.Thomas is said to have come here and is believed to be interred at St.Thomas Mount, Chennai. India was home to several religions; Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism and the several philosophical schools of Hinduism. I agree that “religion” is an artificial imposition on Hinduism. Hinduism is less a religion, and more a way of life. It is the mores and cultures of all the people that lived south of the Indus river (Sindhu/Hindu). Alas, none of this history makes Hinduism less majestic or worse than Christianity or any other religion. If anything thinks that Christianity is one uniform religion or Islam is, it is purely out of ignorance. The complexity of a people is testament to their long history. In Hinduism, the admixture of several faiths and philosophy is more an indication of the tolerance of its faith. And yes, by Abrahamic definition, we are pagan, I suppose. One just has to visit the great churches of the south (case in point – Medak Church, AP), to see how the natives worship. They worship like Hindus would- that is not paganism, but just culture, a culture of a tolerant people.
To chris, the statement on hinduism is what i got from aryan scholars such as swami jnaneshvara he is not a convert .Search in google for ur self about how the religion hinduism got its name.For u chris stop fooling ur self.
I think someone else can answer this better than I can.
And Hinduism is a sweet rose, full of beauty and devotion.
Chris i’m not a convert i’ve read the bible with my own curiosity.You say christian missionary are harsh & intolerance, well i know who is what i live with more hindus than u and their tolerance is zero. U’ve lost ur way i think its delibrate.
I find your blogspage is infested with bigots and morons.
What else can one expect from those who blindly believe that the “teaching” of someone, 2000 years ago is the only way live.
Ask questions about what is written in the Bible – and they can only refer back to the book; they can only evade by saying the answers are “in the bible”. No they are not.
There is nothing ‘holy’ about the bible – it is just the record of events that took place at that time. It wasn’t even written by the person – but by followers – probably each more blind than his predecessor.
Why did “He” create humans and stuffed their skull with brains, intelligence, thoughts – give them a mind, curiosity if to question events recorded is blasphemy.
The world has moved on in 2000 years, what may have been seen as ‘miracle’s is now common everyday occurance. Yet we still believe it was all ‘divine’ interventions.
Dead being given life? Too right we do, everyday in emergency departments, even on road sides by paramedics. Yet we do not use our knowledge built over centuries to try and explain the events of the religious books.
Who is God? Or who is Satan? To ask is taboo – to think of a scientific explanation is blasphemy.
I will not even bother to answer his rants about hinduism.
I might as well tell him to go off to re-enact the original sin.
Am i worried of going to hell?
Not at all, if it means I do not have to suffer the company of such bigots and their masters.
Kalli hindu goddess wears skulls of men as a garland,in one of her hand she has a man’s head and blood falling out of it.So who is bloodthirsty.Even today blood sacrifice is given to her statue.
That was human sacrifice,offcourse any human will be scared by such acts.
The world knows kali
Hindus are here to fool us they have ruined india and now their target is us
If you look at Christianity’s history it has plenty of murder and torture too. Animal sacrifice is condemned by almost all Hindus and practiced by a tiny minority. Worshipers of Kali themselves are in a minority, and only some of them carry out these rites. About 30% of Hindus are vegetarian.
One thing I have to say is that the very first thing that Deepak posted to me was to call followers of my religion fools, the anti-Christ satanic and ignorant. I realise this is the way Christian Missionaries tell people to address people of other religions, but common sense might tell people that it is no way to live in harmony. When you say things like that to people and then complain about their intolerance perhaps you should look at your own actions. Or maybe your preacher has told you that it is dangerous to think for yourself, which seems to be common amongst evangelical Christians.
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