Monthly Archives: July 2008

People venerated by both Hindus and Muslims

In the modern world I believe that it is essential that people of different faiths should be able to live together. Ideally this whould be with mutual respect, though mutual tollerance would be sufficient. I wrode in a previous article “Sufis from a Hindu perspective” about how some Muslims do show tolerance, but this is far from universal. I also said that I believe that when dealing with people of other religons we should assume good faith, but be prepared to find limits in the tolerance of others.

Since I live in a city where there are nearly 20 times as many Muslims as Hindus, understanding is obviously important to me. To try to find common ground I decided to look at people who are or were venerated by both Hindus and Muslims. There are quite a few, here are some of them.

  • Kabir (15th Century mystic & Poet)
  • Mirza Mazhar Jan-e-Janaan (18th century Sufi who believed that Krishna and Rama were prophets sent to India as Muhammad was to the Middle East)
  • Sai Baba of Shirdi (the 19th-early 20th century saint venerated by Muslims and Hindus, NOT the controversial present day Hindu swami)
  • Lalleshwari (Kashmiri mystic and poet)

I also considered Mohandas Gandhi and Akbar the Great, but discounted these because eacho of these were criticised by both sides as much as venerated, accused of appeasment by followers of their own religion and not going far encough by followers of the other.

I asked a on yahoo questions to see if there were any others who were respected by both. Sugestions I received were Guru Nanak, Shaikh Salim Chisti, and Mother Teresa. After looking at Mother I cannot find evidence that she was venerated by Muslims, so I will discount her.

What have the remaining people got in common? Well, most of them are Muslim though we do have a Sikh and a Hindu in the list. I am not confident that there are not many more Hindus and Sikhs that I have not found. Apart from that, they are all mystics and many are also poets. This should not come as a surprise, Hinduism enbraces mysticism fully and the Sufi branch of Islam.  Spirituality is the key to mutual understanding. The Legalistic interpretation of religion is what leads to intollerance and hatred.

One of the answers to my yahoo question was particularly encouraging. A Muslim said that more important than finding people with beliefs that are acceptable to people of both religions is that people should live together in harmony despite differences. If only everyone from every religion  thought like this!

Worshipers of Shiva

Lord Shiva

Lord Shiva

I have been looking at the way various different worshipers view Shiva as God. This is only one aspect of the differences, worshipers may have different practices, traditions and emphasise worship, medditation or jnana (learning and understanding). In trying to prepare this post I have discovered one thing, wordpress does not do tables well. I have therefore put the table into this post as an image, and made it available as a pdf file. The table looks at various groups worshiping Shiva and how Shiva relates to various Hindu views of God. These views are explained as follows:

Ishwara

Ishwara is God as the great lord. This is God the supreme controller, but is a personal God.

Brahman

Brahman is God in the absolute, omnipresent form of God, often described as the Cosmic Spirit, or Paramatman (Supreme Soul). Brahman can not be related to by bhakti or devotion but reached and experienced through meditation.

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False mountain tops, fell walking and spiritual progress

mountain

mountain

If you have ever gone walking in hills and mountains you have probably come across false mountain tops. You are walking along happily, and the summit is in sight. You feel you are doing very well, people have told you that this is a two hour climb, yet you are almost there after a little more than an hour and a quarter. You push on at a brisk pace, realizing that before long you will reach the top, then it will be easier going.

Just as you almost reach the top, you see that it isn’t the top at all. It is just a ridge, or the slope of the hill flattens out slightly. The actual peak is still a considerable distance off. You look at your map and realise that you should have seen this coming. You are actually not even half way up. Rather than doing well you realise that you are slower than most people. You are probably feeling rather tired, disappointed, disheartened and rather silly. At this point some people would give up, I have been in a group where it has happened. Having thought a point was the top they reach it and feel they can go no further. When I was an inexperienced walker I used to reach these points, sit down in exhaustion, look at the map and try to work out where I really am and where I need to head, and when ready and rested continue. When I was a teenager I remember doing this three times on one mountain, each time convinced that I had reached the summit!

As a more experienced walker I can often see potential false-tops from contour lines on the map. If I am nearing what appears to be a summit I am prepared for it not to be, and continue at a steady pace.

The same thing can happen to us in spiritual progress. We can think we are doing very well, only to realise that we are are not doing nearly as well as we thought. This has happened to me recently, and made me realise that I am not nearly as experienced spiritually as I am as a fell walker!

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